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Old 01-03-2008, 12:55 PM   #11 (permalink)
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The same "lump sum" approach can be used for labor discounts. I use labor SKU's by phase (for instance, Labor-Trim) that can be used to add or delete pre-determined labor hours or dollars. Again, it shows up on the proposal (and I believe that if you're going to discount, you should make it very obvious to the client), as well as in your management reports...and it doesn't affect subsequent c/o's. If at all possible, don't change your standard cost options as it will usually bite you later in the project.
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All good points...

Sometimes there are cases where we want to just apply a flat 5% or 10% across the board (equipment and labor) but want to show it at the end... especially in the summary section (Equipment Total, Labor Total, Tax, TOTAL) - this is where I really want to show this discount and have it automatically calculated.

KEVIN - to answer your questions: 1) Neither - I just want to show a flat discount across the board - I don't want to show it as a discount on labor etc... as discounts on line items are too easily lost in the proposal. I want it to show up in the end. 2) Labor is only showed at the end in the summary (we use the INSTALLED PRICE proposals). 3) No.
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This has been a requested feature for as long as I can remember.

We would always use the Equip +/- % and change the report to "Project Discount". This would only discount hardware, but this also has the added benefit of lowering the tax due. (Our state did not tax labor). We had to calculate the % discount on Equipment that would provide the desired total dollar discount. This will have an negative impact on your P&L gross margins, but the bottom line will be the same.
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Originally Posted by slemay View Post

KEVIN - to answer your questions: 1) Neither - I just want to show a flat discount across the board - I don't want to show it as a discount on labor etc... as discounts on line items are too easily lost in the proposal. I want it to show up in the end. 2) Labor is only showed at the end in the summary (we use the INSTALLED PRICE proposals). 3) No.
Hmmm....

When you discount, the money has to leave from somewhere in order for accounting, job costing, and available hours to do the work to all line up.

This all comes down to keeping the management reports for hours by phase and gross profit by phase accurate and not misleading.

Since you are ambivolent about where the money comes from, let's leave labor out of it so that you do not have to fight with having less hours via dollars than your hours reports and work orders tell you you have.

My assumption here is that you want to do more with D-Tools than just create proposals and drawings.

That being said, it's really important and benficial to the management of your business to do this in a way that works with the numbers and hours, sales tax is an issue too!

So here is my solution:

Add a phase in setup called 'DISCOUNTS' and check the box 'Ignore Project Defaults for this Phase'

Create a Zone in your Zones list within Setup called 'DISCOUNTS'

Create a Category in your Category list within MMPD/Administration called 'DISCOUNTS' and make it an 'Equipment Type' Category

In MMPD, create a new item where:

CAT = DISCOUNTS
TYPE = PROJECT
MFG = YOUR COMPANY NAME
MODEL = PREFERED CUSTOMER DISCOUNT
DESCRIPTION = "Because I love you so much my dear customer, I bequeath to you this golden discount, cherish it, and know I am yours forever"
Unit Cost = 0
Unit Price = 0
Phase = DISCOUNTS

Now add this new item to your project, in the zone 'DISCOUNTS' and to any location, or even create a location called Discounts and you can position that at the end of the project location list so it appears at the end of the proposal.

When your are prompted that there is no price for the item, correct the unit price with a negative number which is your discount!

Remember that Sales tax will be affected too (this is a good thing!) so your total discount will be more than your negative entry, but that will come out of the sales tax at the end of the proposal report.

What's really nice about all this, is the discount is not only clearly apparent in your Proposal, but it is also a stand out in all your financial reports, it does not become a global adjustment that lives on through future changes to the project, it covers the sales tax issue, and can be pushed into a sales order and make it over to Quickbooks - BRILLIANT!

I like this so much, I am going to add it to our STARTER MASTERTABLE

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Old 01-04-2008, 01:59 PM   #15 (permalink)
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hehehe - thanks Kevin... I'll give that a try.
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Originally Posted by curt.hayes View Post
A word of caution about using either Misc Parts or Equip +/-: once you've applied a discount, it can't be undone in subsequent change orders. As such, if you give a 10% discount on the system, you'll have to continue w/the same discount for the rest of the project (a problem if you add a low-margin TV!). There are 2 work-arounds that I use. I created a generic line item called "Discount" and usually use it w/out a room (unassigned) so it shows up as the first line item in the proposal...for the total amount required (i.e. 10% of the total installed price). Otherwise, use "Misc Costs" to have the amount show up at the end of the proposal. Either way, it only affects the initial proposal, not the following c/o's.
I know this thread is kinda old, but I thought I'd throw my 2 cents in anyway. We occasionally send out mailers offering a discount on products. It only applies to product purchased through a distributor, not at a retail store. (we usually don't buy routers and such from a distributor)

When doing the proposal I put the discount in the equipment +/- section, but I have created labor phases that do not discount. EX: Trim(ND), Finish(ND). ND= no discount. These phases override the project defaults. Anyway, so when I add products into MMPD and I know that it is a no discount product, I assign it the appropriate labor phase.

This should help in the change order process. I've never done any change orders (I know - weird) so I can't be positive.

Hope this helps.
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