I completely agree with your opinion of v3.0, (what were they thinking?). I just opened up v2.5, updated it and seems to be okay. I was hoping to find some pre-made shapes for equipment for some manufacturers like Creston, Niles, Marantz, etc. I don't actually use DT's with Visio, I occasionally use Visio for simple things. What I do is use DT's Text, BizMan, QuickLinks, and then a separate TurboCAD program for my drawings. For simple rack drawings, I was hoping to use RackTools 2.5, but I need shapes, where can I get em'? TIA~!